tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post1441453485821156207..comments2023-11-16T18:51:00.151+00:00Comments on Blogging ancient epigram: 3.84: Martial on oral self-pleasure (NSFW)Gideon Nisbethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11037478861644401274noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post-6124957980356239082016-02-10T15:00:40.285+00:002016-02-10T15:00:40.285+00:00Might it not be setting up a reveal that what has ...Might it not be setting up a reveal that what has no morals/faithfulness isn't a person, but the subject's tongue/speech?mymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750521398883913977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post-5290417453359794682016-02-10T14:59:49.582+00:002016-02-10T14:59:49.582+00:00Might it not be setting up a reveal that what has ...Might it not be setting up a reveal that what has no morals/faithfulness isn't a person, but the subject's tongue/speech?mymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12750521398883913977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post-60646074748152351072016-02-02T13:23:03.603+00:002016-02-02T13:23:03.603+00:00Then again, the Catullus example - are you suggest...Then again, the Catullus example - are you suggesting that the unnamed (male or female) lover's tongue is prodigiously large, like the penis in that poem?Gideon Nisbethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11037478861644401274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post-84809579058706011292016-02-02T13:11:36.708+00:002016-02-02T13:11:36.708+00:00I'm not sure I find those suggested parallels ...I'm not sure I find those suggested parallels persuasively close, but I'm aware that mine is a minority reading. Do you take the tongue to be of a male lover? Why is it a good punchline, if so?Gideon Nisbethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11037478861644401274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1161783762118931696.post-36594806284184331922016-02-01T19:30:19.108+00:002016-02-01T19:30:19.108+00:00Hmmm, I don't see why you think it's only ...Hmmm, I don't see why you think it's only one person doing this to herself.<br />Isn't "non puellam... linguam" like Catullus 115 "non homo... sed mentula"?<br /><br />or Petronius 92: Habebat enim inguinum pondus tam grande, ut ipsum hominem laciniam fascini crederes.<br /><br />More in Schmeling on Petronius 38 phantasia, non homo<br /><br />JIm O'HaraJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092077609814958342noreply@blogger.com